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- What is skin needling and dermarolling?
- Why skin needling and dermarolling can be effective
- Needling depths matter
- The advantages of skin needling and dermarolling
- How to needle/dermaroll safely and effectively (and a word of warning!)
What is skin needling and dermarolling?
Skin needling is a method of pricking the skin with tiny needles to :
- tighten loose skin and reduce lines or wrinkles,
- reduce scarring (e.g. acne scars, surgical scars, pitted scars/indented scars, raised scars/hypertrophic scars)
- restore normal skin pigmentation (e.g. hypopigmented, hyperpigmented or uneven skin)
Dermarolling is skin needling done with a dermaroller. A dermaroller is a hand-held roller with a surface of tiny needles. They come in different lengths and sizes.
Why skin needling and dermarolling can be effective
To understand why skin needling or dermarolling can be so effective for all the conditions above, it’s necessary to have a basic understanding of what happens after skin is pricked by a needle deep enough to cause pinprick bleeding.
To the human eye, after the skin is pricked by tiny needles, the pinpricks will bleed slightly, scab and then heal. This appears to be the end of the story. But it isn’t.
Beneath the skin’s surface, much more is going on. In fact, the healing response, which begins immediately upon the injury, kick-starts a healing process that lasts for several months and up to a year. This natural healing process is when the real skin improvements take place.
An overview of the needling/dermarolling healing process over a 12-month period
- Fibroblast will migrate to the injured site and produce and deposit new extracellular matrix
- The new matrix cross-links and organizes itself
- Over time, new collagen will:
- fill in depressed scars and deep lines
- break down and reorganize scar tissue
- realign and stimulate new pigmentation
- After a few months, this new collagen will start to shorten. This leads to a slow tightening of the skin.
- After a year, this healing process will eventually lead to the formation of a thick layer of collagen, healthy elastin and improved blood flow at the initial injury site. Nestled in a small area, each needle prick’s healing process will blend seamlessly together to lay down an almost continuous sheet of collagen below the epidermis.
- The visible results can include the following:
- Hard or raised scars will soften and flatten
- Indented scars such as acne pits will fill in and appear less depressed
- Lines and wrinkles will soften, revealing tighter and smoother skin
- Hypo-pigmented areas will regain coloring, while hyperpigmented (darkened) skin will lighten to the color of normal skin
- Restored nerve endings will renew skin sensitivity for badly damaged areas
- If you decide to start skin needling and intend to do it yourself, you should be prepared for some amount of pain. The pain can range from mild discomfort and redness (for shallow pricking) to that of getting a tattoo (for needle pricks that penetrate about 1.5 mm into the dermis and cause slight bleeding).
- In general, deeper needle penetrations into the dermis produces better collagen and elastin production. (However, it is also more risky. ) The breaking of blood vessels appears to be key in kick-starting the 12-month healing and reorganizing phase. Anecdotal evidence supports this as some people have reported that treated areas that bled and scabbed led to better results than ones that didn’t.
With very short needle lengths, the needle only reaches the topmost layer—there may be improvements, but no dramatic results. This is also less risky. However, even with very short needle lengths, you may find improvements as any topicals you use after needling will penetrate deeper and become more effective many times over.
The advantages of skin needling and dermarolling
The surface skin remains intact. Unlike lasers that burn through the skin’s layers, including the topmost surface layer that is visible to us (the epidermis), needling does not destroy the surface layer. The tiny pinpricks will bleed with the initial injuries, but these heal quickly, leaving the visible skin intact. As the skin is intact, there is no skin peeling involved. And with that, very little downtime (roughly 5 days).
Low maintenance. The long healing process underneath will happen without any intervention. You may have to needle the site a few times for the best results, but other than that, your own body’s healing mechanism will do all the work.
Needling results in thicker and healthier skin. Needling does not permanently damage skin like lasers can. In fact, the skin’s natural healing mechanisms leads to healthier and thicker skin.
Low cost. If you choose to, needling can be done at home very inexpensively.
How to needle/dermaroll safely and effectively
A word of warning — when done incorrectly, needling CAN and HAS led to scarring.
DO READ the comments left by readers at the bottom of this article before making a decision on skin needling.
Many have reported damage after — and it doesn’t seem to matter whether they had needling done by a professional or if they had performed it themselves. Both types of users have reported damage such as thicker skin, scarring, pigmentation changes, and skin that looks aged.
Thus, I urge you to tread carefully. It may be prudent to test an area on your body before taking the plunge as this will give you an idea of its effects. Results also seem to vary widely across individuals, so take positive testimonials as a guide only.
Results may differ widely for several reasons such as:
- needle length and the amount of pressure used when rolling
- the frequency of the needling
- your own skin’s thickness
- your skin’s propensity to scarring or forming keloids
- age (your real/biological age rather than chronological age) and state of health
The last point may be the most critical.
If you’re in poor health (e.g. drink alcohol, smoke daily, ingest excessive caffeine, have a poor diet with lots of processed food, stressed, constipated, suffer from a chronic lack of sleep, have vitamin/mineral deficiencies), you may not be an ideal candidate for dermarolling as your body’s healing mechanisms will be stymied. This would increase the risk of scarring (which is “incomplete” healing).
- Use the right tools – Dermarollers or individual needles
The most immediate question is which tool should be used? The two most common options are dermarollers (also called skin rollers or CIT rollers) and individual needles. Some people have also reported good results treating acne scarring with a tattoo gun.
Using individual needles allows you to control the depth of penetration and target specific locations (like a particular scar or a wrinkle). Individual needles can also be used for subcision needling. However, if you wish to treat a larger area, using them may prove to be too time-consuming. Dermarollers, on the other hand, make it much more convenient to treat larger areas.
Use the right type of needles. These should not be sewing needles or hypodermic needles, as the kind needed for skin needling are extremely thin. You can use acupuncture needles or tattoo needles (if they are thin enough) if you are treating a very small area (e.g. a scar).
Use the right type of rollers. Most sites will market the use of skin rollers, dermarollers or the like. Note that these will have varying needle lengths, thicknesses, and uses. Some of these can be used again and again, while others are meant for single-use only.
- Keep things sterile
Whichever tool you choose to use, keep it clean and sterile. You can do this by soaking the tools in a sterile saline solution before and after use.
- Stay out of the sun until the redness subsides
As needling or dermarolling will lead to reddened skin, which can be highly photo-sensitive, keep out of the sun during the first week. This will reduce your chances of developing post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation. Sun exposure is safer only after your skin has lost its redness, which can last for 5 days. However, you can use makeup or coverup safely.
- Space out your dermarolling/needling sessions
Space out your dermarolling sessions to give your skin sufficient time to heal. If you’re using longer needle lengths (to treat scars and wrinkles), taking a one-month break between rolls is recommended. You should continue to see changes during the break.
- Keep healthy
Skin needling and dermarolling will only work as well as your body can heal. And the key to healing well is eating well. Eat more fruits and vegetables, reduce your alcohol intake, and avoid smoking and drug use. Take part in light exercise and keep your stress levels down. Also take extra Vitamin C daily — it’s been proven to boost the body’s healing response and helps build collagen.
Even maintaining a happy and relaxed state of mind can improve your body’s healing ability. Sleep enough hours so that you don’t feel tired when you wake up the next day.
- Use a Vitamin C-enriched topical
Applied topically, Vitamin C will also boost collagen and can make a great difference in your results. The Vitamin C topical will also penetrate deeper following skin needling or dermarolling, enhancing its effectiveness by many times. You can use a store-bought lotion or make your own. Several sites sell Vitamin C in powder form (eg ascorbic acid, magnesium ascorbyl phosphate), which you can mix with distilled water to make your own solution.
- Be patient (good things come to those who wait)
Finally, it is important to keep in mind when treating scars or wrinkles with needling and dermarolling that the best results will only be seen after a year. One year is a long time for most of us used to marketing pitches that sell quick fixes and miracle creams (and empty promises? lighter wallets?).
If you are interested in skin needling or dermarolling, but feel discouraged by the year-long wait for results, then think of it this way — the year will pass whether you do it or not. So if you believe in the science behind skin needling, isn’t it better to try it sooner than later?
Over the year as you get busy with living your life, you may even forget about it completely. But that’s okay, because your skin remembers and is healing itself without any outside help. If you do decide to try it, skin needling can bring long-lasting and dramatic skin improvements.
69 thoughts on “Skin needling and dermarolling for scars and wrinkles”
I am interested in learning skin needling. I have been doing permanent make-up for 12 years and just wanted to add something interesting to my service menu.
I do skin rolling along for about 2 months now along with a regimen of copper peptides and mild hydroxy acid exfoliator. I notice that I see mild improvements. As stated on this website, this isnt a “quick fix gimmick” but skin rolling is slowly improving sagging abdominal skin and facial wrinkles. Its well worth the effort and I like that its a low cost alternative to all those quick fix gimmicks that may or may not work. I swear by it and its well worth trying. i am happy with the continuing results.
thank you for the information ,
do you mean the roller that is the same mesotherapy roler,as cooer is one of a cause to mealasma ,,why copper rigemen
I like that its a low cost alternative to all those quick fix gimmicks that may or may not work.
Thanks for sharing.
I have tried the stamping.. I think it is the very similar method. Initially, it hurts a little – IT IS PRICKLY – so I suggest that you apply a little bit of numbing agent prior to needling. The result? I think it is as effective as microdermabrasion. You have to own your equipment, you cannot share. And choose a correct serum to apply after.
I’ve seen ads in New Beauty magazine for dermarollers, and I really wanted to try one but wasn’t sure if it would really work at all (on wrinkles, acne scars, etc.) But it’s definitely on my list of skin care items to try!
I had medical roll-cit (3mm needle length) done by a well known plastic surgeon in nyc about 10 months ago. The past months have been a roller coaster. The skin really does change as you describe and you can see as it swells, goes down and looks worse, to then plumping out and looking thick. I have to say I’m not happy with the results. I read some great things about needling itself but I think the rollers could be very dangerous in inexperienced hands. My skin feels tight and thick and frankly looks older than it used too. After speaking to other professionals I’ve been told that most likely I was “overworked” and the doctor was too aggressive and may have caused scar tissue as opposed to collagen formation. the scars I had before are still there but are now look thicker. People need to research this procedure a lot and find the right person to do it. And ask LOTS of questions. I’m sure it works for some but you need to know whats being done to your skin.
I have been searching for someone who had the same experience with dermastamp treatment. And I am so happy finally I found your comment in here.
I had so far 2 treatments with 1,5mm and just like in your case, I think the doctor did it too aggresive, leaving even more injury. It has been a month since my last treatment and I can tell my scar got brown colour, thicker and deeper. I am very frustated and worry now. I am wondering if this will be better later and has your scar got any better by now? Any inputs from you will be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
I’m sorry to hear of your experience. I wasn’t aware of your response to my post so sorry for the delay. My skin did not get better so I went to someone who did needling with a different tool. She said that she could break down the scar tissue that had formed. Unfortunately it just made my skin even tighter! Sometimes we’re so desperate to fix a problem that we make it worse. I would say to you, just leave your skin alone. Try natural things like castor oil (I’ve read some great things about it healing scar tissue), and don’t be so hard on yourself or your skin. You tried to improve your skin and there is nothing wrong with that. There are just so many treatments being pushed by doctors as “non invasive” without proper date to back it up. Your skin can get better. Give it time and see what mother nature does for you. I hope you’re better by now…
I am so very sorry to hear about your bad experience w/needling…Have you any changes to update us on…? As it’s been a while since your post…Is it possible that your skin has changed for the better? I found the whole idea painfully obscure…not sure I believe in it until more time has passed. Hopefully the swelling evened out for the better by now? If not, I’d sue the Dr….this is your face you’re talking about, and I’m sure it was very expensive…
Unfortunately, its very hard to sue a Dr. for a cosmetic procedure. You have to prove that the Dr. made a mistake that another doctor wouldn’t have. I was basically told “this is the risk you take”. Although there are NO side effects listed on any literature about this procedure. I’ve just had to accept it and have a little hope that maybe something will come my way that will help. And I hope getting my story out there will help someone else. And I’ve learned so much about skin and healing in the process though 🙂
3mm?!?! ON THE FACE?!?! That’s insane. No one who knew anything about dermarolling would use a 3mm dermaroller on their face. That’s ludacris!
I have to agree with Eve. I have been using a roller 0.5mm @ home use for 1.5 weeks now every other day and I seem to have gone from fine lines to deeper lines where I’m rolling.It makes me wonder if I’m damaging my skin further than helping it and if it will now need $$ spent on seeing a dermatologist to fix the mess. Overall not impressed, and people need to be warned there are dangers with using this gadget!! If it sounds too good to be true it usually is will be my motto from now on whenever i try any more anti-aging products 🙁
The good thing is the needle length you’re using is very short and shouldn’t do any permanent damage. Basically needling tightens your skin. The wrinkles do smooth out because your skin is tighter. The length of your skin is shorter. That’s good right? BUT your skin thickens as well. While this may sound like a good thing, in the long term thicker skin wrinkles deeper. So the thick lines you see is probably swelling and will eventually be thicker skin. I think needling would work great on the body, like the legs, thighs or buttocks area because that skin is thick and tightening would be great in those area for many people. But the facial skin is so delicate and thin…If you have individual scars you may benefit from needling just those. They can thicken and tighten and maybe look smoother next to your non scarred skin. If you just have fine lines or wrinkles how about a good peptide cream? I don’t think you could have permanently damaged your skin. The surgery I had was invasive because the needling length was so much longer than what you used. I hope your skin is all healed up and back to normal by now 🙂
Every other day is WAY too frequent to be rolling. You are likely causing more harm than good. Dry needling is an absolute amazing treatment option for many things when done correctly. Its best to see a professional.
every other day is way too much and you are over-injuring your skin – it takes the skin 4 weeks to heal from 0.5 you need to wait that long before use. every other day is dangerous.
But you just said you are doing it every second day and if you read text above it’s obviously not right way. As a nurse I understand how this works and honestly I believe length of needless and pressure during treatment have big influence on results together with how often you do it. You have to give your skin time to heal.
Im so relieved but also disappointed to find that I’m not the only one thats had problems with this device.
I was using a 1.5m roller on my face about 4 months ago but stoped using it after a few sessions as I found that it made things worse and left thousands of tiny holes all over my face… including larger indented scars.. Its been 4 months now and there has been no sign of them filling in. I’ve always looked after my skin, it was smooth and fine but after suffering from a large thick hyperpigmentation line down my cheek I read that this was the best thing to try to reform new skin. Instead I now not only have bad hyperpigmentation but holes all over my face. I’ve read similar heartbreaking stories online that these holes have scared and never go away… yet on this website it says that it can take up to a year for scars to fill in? Has anyone here got any other helpful information on whether this may actually happen? Im feeling pretty doubtful. Is it too late for me to try a different diet or start using Copper Peptide serum? Iv heard it really helps.
I’d love some feedback 🙂 1st time posting on a forum 🙂
Hi Loretta, I believe it’s never too late. While this may not be exactly the same as your situation, I had an old and deep burn scar on my leg which has healed with castor oil. It took a long time to heal (about 9 months), but it is possible, and that’s what matters.
for the comments stating they had bad experiences, I noticed neither one of you mentioned using any type of serums afterwards, for instance Hyaularonic acid Vitamin C or Vitamin E?
Dermarolling yourself at home is incredibly risky and puts you at risk of making your skin worse. You should always get a professional to carry out the procedure as this will bring about the best results. I’ve had 2 sessions so far and I am seeing results. You won’t get the same results at home as you do with a professional treatment. I appreciate most of you are trying to save the cost of a professional treatment but in my opinion its money well spent and it is your face after all. You only get one!
kate and eve, you both did not mention how much you both paid for your rollers.If you buy cheap rollers from ebay or amazon you will get bad results, only if they rollers are manufactured in a cheap way. Are you certain that the needles weren’t bent, dull, surgical grade. What brand did you both use ? You both really need to respond to this post, what you wrote can mislead people about the use of dermaroller. did you buy a cheap roller ? what brand did you use ? where did you buy it from ? did you inspect your needles properly ? They are people out there that need to know the truth about these devices, so please respond. People need to start stating what size of needle was used, what brand did they buy, where did they buy it and what creams or serums did they use.
If you read through my posts you will see I wrote that I had the procedure done by a well respected plastic surgeon in NYC and he used a 3mm roller. The brand used from the medical roll cit made by Des Fernandes (the creator of the roll cit in the first place.) I paid $5,700.00 to have the procedure done. So as you can see, I went to one of the best qualified people to perform rolling. I went to a doctor to have the safest conditions possible, under the care of a plastic surgeon who was trained by Des Fernandes. The protocol of needle length and serums used afterwards is all set up by Des Fernandes. I trusted the doctor and his assistants when they said this would improve my skin. I have never rolled on myself and would never use anything cheap on my face. I am not misleading anyone. This is my true experience with a device that is being advertised as a good thing for skin, whereas in my case in changed my skin in a bad way. I would never recommend anyone do this procedure. Unless its on the body and you have very loose skin. The skin on the face is too thin. There is a reason why this procedure is not that popular…there is not enough long term evidence showing improvement. As someone who has gone thru this procedure, this is my opinion based on my experience.
I also have damage done from microneedling. I did a ton of research before making my appointment. I believe my skin is ruined! I have what look like micro tares and holes all over my skin and bad wrinkles where I never had wrinkles before. It’s like my skin has lost it’s elasticity!! Have you learned any more info you can share? Anything that may help or what exactly has happened to the skins structure? I too believe the esthetician used the (eclips micropen) improperly possibly dragging it causing the fine rips in my skin. I’m so upset that I didn’t hear of this before I’m sure it’s happening not every one writes on the internet. I’ve seen post (after I had this done)that say damage can be done if used improperly but they never say what the damage is . I’m so upset that she didn’t know what she was doing! I wish I had some recourse. If anyone has any input or hope that this can be fixed or have had results with anything they have tried please post. I would really like to know if this damage gets worse or better over time.
I also had damage to the pen being improperly used. The lines are deeper and more pronounced.
Have you found away to resolve it?
Eve, thanks for the answers. A .3mm needle is extreme and especially if used on the face. I have never done the procedure but i have read and done a lot of research on it. The general consensus is that a .25 home roller does not do anything to induce CIT. To begine inducing collgen on the face, a minimum roller size of .5 is needed.I really hope that your situation will improve and return to normalcy.
Not only am I a bit surprised at the needle length, the cost is rather extreme, regardless of whom is performing the procedure. I’m sorry you had such negative results. I am also curious as to the details of your experience and why you don’t like the outcome.
I am thoroughly confused about the use of derma rollers. I ordered a 1.5 titanium MRS Roller after reading many positive reviews. Following my first use I experienced the sunburn like redness that I expected. While most the redness had resolved within about 48 hours, the inside of my vertical number 11 wrinkles between the brows remained red much longer, making the problem area look even worse and certainly far more noticeable. Discouraged, I felt I would not likely use the device again. My wishful thinking caused me to do a bit research on how the skin heals following needling and I realized that my expectations for a quick fix was too high…it takes months and months to see results. I continued on with 2 treatments per week and those subsequent treatments didn’t seem to worsen the wrinkles as did the first treament, however, I firmly believe the needling has caused acne blemishes. I had not had break outs in years but following all but one treatment, I developed a huge, painful pimple. I do clean my face well before use and I also clean my roller not just before use, but a couple of times during a single use to avoid injecting bacteria from one area of the skin to another. The truth is that soap and water or a dip in or spritz with alcohol does not sterilize a needle. With repeated use of these devices there is no way to avoid exposure to germs. I would like to believe that in eleven months I will see smoother, tighter, thicker skin but I am highly skeptical at this point. And if there truly is some future benefit from this procedure, I am convinced a one time disposable roller is a safer option. I have not searched for one time use rollers and have no idea whether they are even available. Since I did choose to try derma rolling, I will remain hopeful that something favorable will surface in a few months.
How many dermaroller session can do on my face for box scar..(until rid off)
and How much gap between 2 dermaroller session?
I had derma roller procedure by a professional and had the worse acne breakout one week after the procedure. I waited incase they improve. I was advised to leave them alone and they would subside. A week and a half and the breakouts got worse. They resemble small boils, raised, very hard and painful. After twelve red lumps that stayed inflamed day after day, I went to a doctor who prescribed Doryx capsules. My experience so far with derma roller has been a nightmare. I initially wanted the treatment for my pigmentation problem, I know have an acne problem as well.
@Gin, I started dermarolling about 4 mts ago, (I am 43). I am using the 1.5 size dermaroller as well. After extensive research, I learnt that using this length more often than the recommended 1 time per month can actually cause your skin to be in a constant state inflammation, which is not conducive to CIT. Your skin needs time to renew itself and build collagen. I also make my own vitamin C serum and use infadolan cream, which helps immensely. I hope this was helpful to you. By the way, my skin is looking better than ever, and because I don’t have much expendible income every month, this is a sure way to do the best I can with what I have, and I think it’s a truly wonderful product! Good luck!!
How do you make your own vitamin C serum? I’ve been looking for a way to do this and have not found one yet.
I’m a Filipino guy, 29 yrs old. My dermatologist suggested I needed a dermarolling treatment to improve the appearance of my scars. She told me that about 85% of my acne scars would be gone after 5 sessions. Well, I can really say she was right. Most of my shallow scars are gone. Now I only have a few deep scars left but are hardly noticeable. People around me keep telling me that my skin look a lot better now. My confidence leveled-up because I found the answer. I just had my 5th session last monday, 3 days before my last session I started taking collagen supplement which I would probably have to continue because I noticed a faster healing and a glowing effect. I had such a positive effect because I followed my dermatologist’s do’s and don’ts after each treatment.
Hi Fred, thanks for sharing about the collagen supplements and your dermarolling experience. I think you were lucky that you had a good and knowledgable dermatologist. From what I’ve read in some forums, not everyone is as lucky.
3 mm is definitely extreme and has been found to give no better results than much smaller length needles. Using a .5 no more often than once a month, and a 1.0 a 1.5 no more often than every 6 weeks. Longer needles only for acne scars or stretch marks (in which case single needles work best).
Less is more with derma rolling! That’s good news anyway because it hurts! 🙂
It really does work but too often is counter productive.
I meant longer needles as in a 2.0 would Befor acne scars or stretch marks. No reason to ever go beyond a 2.0. That’s when you risk creating scar tissue.
i have done the needling treatment for scar but i didnt avoid the the sun exposure after 6 days and i think my face rednedd was reduced abit does it affect the treatment if u dont avoid sun exposure?
I’ve used a 1.5mm stamp the last year and half, for severe acne scarring on the side of neck area. Actual stamped about 4 or 5 times with 1 to 2 months recovery, I was very thorough stamping each acne area 20 times rotating the stamp and careful to sterilize and clean the stamp. I really see no improvement. I’d say I’ve given it a good shot and it doesn’t live up to all the hype..Skin needling sounds like it should work but I can confirm for anything other than maybe the finest of blemishes it don’t work.
Hello everyone I’m reading all those comments and just wondering that those who used 1.5 mm dermaroller it was done by qualified doctor, nurse or dermatologist? They for professional use only otherwise it can make more damage then help. Also 2.0 , 3.0 for body and stretch marks ask specialist to do so. I’m a qualified dermaroller practicioniar and have seen some terrible problems when people over did it with 1.5 mm hence you can have scars for life. Good luck 🙂
I have had skin needling done by an aesthetician with a 1.5mm at a spa and have been damaged since. Leaving me with ice prick scars hyperpigmentation. My skin resembled hamburger meat. Soooo traumatic. I need repair. Looking for answers and treatment to reverse the damage done. Now a year post procedure. Am wondering if do it myself with smaller needles at home & really good regimen copper peptides vit c. I’m thinking the only way to replace the ice pick scars are to reverse it with the way they were created except done properly and with the proper aftercare. Please advise. Thanks
Hi tina, I would advise against more needling since there’s a chance it can cause further scarring.
One suggestion is to look into healing oils. I removed a deep and hyperpigmented burn scar using castor oil alone over nine months. Taking Vitamin C daily and adding more raw food into your diet should also help support your skin’s healing from the ground up (google raw food + scars).
Hope that helps.
Sorry to bombard you with my question, but i have an interest also in castor oil, though am interested in whether it would be a good remedy for healing the under eye area to reduce the wrinkles and promote healing? Could one add copper peptide to it? Regards, Rita
Hi Rita, yes, you can use castor oil on the under-eye area. I’ve been using it around my eyes before bed every night for a few years now, and I’m often mistaken for being much younger than I am. It’s not a quick fix though, it takes time and patience to see results.
And I don’t see why you can’t add a copper peptide to it if you want to. Good luck!
Castor oil is great stuff! I’ve been using it around my eyes and I’ve noticed that my eyelases have grown thicker and longer.. I’ve aslo started using it on a thinning patch of hair, and slowly but surely it’s growing back.. 🙂 I’m going to start using a derma stamp aswell, hopefully it will speed up the process!
Very cool… thanks for sharing Roxanne!
Hi Iva, could you tell me if the eye area will repair itself if it had an issue with the dermaroller making the eye area look worse (more wrinkles)! I am using peptides, what else would you recommend?
HI there, 2 weeks ago, i used a .5 dermaroller. The first time was great, red but that went away quickly. The following week, i used the dermaroller, my skin was extremely sore, and scabbed and now my fine lines look like wrinkles – under the eyes. I have not heard of anyone having this problem, by searching through various forums about dermarolling. Immediately after dermarolling i used natural and calming cream, and still do in the hope that this is temporary and will heal in a short time. I used the dermaroller twice only. Now scared to even attempt again. I did the do apparently old fashioned star formation round the eye. Can someone advise on how to accelerate healing time, or is this how my eyes will be now! Rita
I also have worse wrinkles due to micro neddeling by a professional who used the Eclips micropen. I’m wondering if your wrinkles got better or worse over time?
Wait!!! Whatever you do, do not use copper peptides under your eyes Rita! It will make them worse. The skin is too fine and will cause more wrinkles. I made that mistake when using peptides on my face first and then put some cream under my eyes. The peptides are that strong that the tiniest bit that was left on my fingers created big crows feet and wrinkles around my eyes. Im only 26 and screwed up big time. I wish someone told me this, so please dont make the same mistake. I was using peptides on my face due to derma roller scars too. I cant believe they didnt even come with warnings!! So mad
Thanks Loretta, you’re right. I had written a bit about the possible side effects of copper peptide use here. That’s quite upsetting that the CP you bought didn’t come with any warnings. I’d have thought it’d be standard practice — even Retin-A comes with some warnings about its side effects.
Hi all! My god, i feel every step forwards is fraught with dangers! Makes me want to give up everything and go natural, emu oil only! I then can only ask, which is the best treatment for the eyes? Is retin-a the best, sparingly used? Or again castor oil which i know little about for the eye area….. Thanks again everyone for commenting! I also feel that i have created more issues around my eyes than when i started!
Hi I have read that some of you have had trouble with derma rolling I thought it was suppose to be safe I have some damage from laser and was looking in to it now im not sure what to doi have pigmented skin and also pin holes all over my face not really sure what would help that is safe.
Hi, I just had my first dermaroller session on Saturday 23rd February. I had it done at a clinic for pigmentation scars left after acne. I did feel a mild discomfort, but this was expected. I noticed red blood spots all over my forehead but was told this would go the following day. It’s now Monday and I still have them! My cheeks, in particular cheek bones have what look like scratches on them. I have applied aloe Vera religiously. I’m hoping this will disappear over the next few days and I will keep you updated with the outcome. I wasn’t expecting this much downtime at all, but appreciate everyone’s skin is different. Wish me luck!
Scratches sounds like she wasn’t lifting the derma roller after each swipe they are not meant for switching position mid roll,unless u buy a special one that the whole head rotates,people that do this professionally go to agrees I’ve and we trust them,I’ll soon be getting the electronic dermapen after reading and watching youtube videos for months I also see so called pros doing little circles on people’s faces ummm no they were soaked in blood after and probably scratched to hell
I had needling done for hypopigmentation and was left with terrible scarring! An electric needling device was used too aggressively and in process of filing with Dept of Regulation. I have indented, linear scars that are still red, and the texture of my skin is a mess. Dont do it!!!!!
Hi, ladies I just want to let you know my experience with dermarolling, I bought one from amazon and it was .50 mm. I used once a month and followed directions. When rolling you have to pick up the roller with each pass. When done my face looked like I had a mild sunburn and was gone by the next day. I put Vit. C serum afterwards. My face after a month became smoother. After 6 months I went and purchased another dermaroller for my body and stretchmarks I bought one with double the amount of needles thinking the more the better. It left me with cat like scratches, I never used again, went back to the original type. I have had good results on stretch marks as well, but takes over 6 months for results as new collagen forms in them decreasing their depth.
I just wanted to know how the derma roller routine is working on your stretch marks? Which needle length did you use to treat them?
Hello everyone! Just thought I would share my dermarolling experiences. I have been using a roller on my face and neck for a little over a year now. I use a 1.5mm length. I lift the roller off the skin after each pass, never rolling back and forth (doing so can drag the skin resulting in the cat like scratches mentioned by some). Coupled with good natural skin care and facial exercise I have seen dramatic results. Many old acne scars are faded, skin had a more velvety appearance, crows feet almost gone. There are ppl who swear I have had work done. Using correctly and spacing treatments out are key. I only roll every 4-5 weeks. Also try to not use anything anti-inflamatory for the first 24hrs or so (topical or internal). The swelling is part of the healing response and needed for the best results. Remember, less is more when it comes to rolling. If you have to choose between too aggressive or not aggressive enough, the latter is the better choice.
Also castor oil is great for under the eyes. It is one if natures best skin tighteners. I use at night and wash off in the morning. Too much castor oil can actually make skin sag so that’s why I limit it’s use to night time. Good luck ya’ll. Be patient. Natural beauty takes conscious effort.
That’s great that your old acne scars have faded from dermarolling! Thanks for sharing your experience, kim 🙂
I had a 1.5mm for my thigh for stretch marks.Although it has caused my skin to thicken,my thigh has turned black,to which my dr said was post inflammatory hyperpigmentation.It has been about three weeks and my skin is still black.Will this ever go? If so how long? Does this happen because a dermaroller doesn’t suit someone? Should I continue treatment with a smaller needle? What do I do?
It does sound like hyperpigmentation. You might have sensitive skin or skin that darkens easily after damage. Sun exposure too soon after dermarolling can also lead to hyperpigmentation.
I think you should give dermarolling a break for the time being, or at least until you can be more sure of your skin’s reaction to it.
Depending on how deep the post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation (PIH) goes, you could try exfoliating the area regularly by scrubbing gently or using a weak acid like salicylic acid. If the PIH is not deep, you should see some fading from this method after at least one month (that’s how fast the skin renews itself).
If your PIH is deeper, it will take longer to heal, but it’s possible. Rub in a natural healing oil such as extra virgin coconut oil/shea butter/castor oil/extra virgin oilve oil/etc into the area a few times a day (or as often as you can manage). It might take several months for results to start to show, but if you’re patient, it’s quite a reliable way to fade deep or persistent PIH.
I used derma roller on my upper lip, where the hair grows and its been about 3 weeks and I still have little holes left from derma rolling. The texture of the skin looks so bad. I feel like makeup enhances the little holes. Will this go away if i exfoliate/ or use avon anew clinical advanced retexturizing peel so new skin will come up? The funny thing is i never noticed the little hole until about a week ago.
I started derma rolling a few months ago. After quite a bit of research I ordered a 1.5mm dermaroller with about 500 needles for my cheeks, forehead, chin and a small 1mm derma stamp with 40 needles for around my eyes.
I will not lie, both derma rolling and derma stamping are a painful experience with these lengths of needles and you will most likely bleed.
I used 5% lidocaine on my first roll but only left it on for an hour…you need to leave it on for at least 2 HOURS. That roll really hurt. Because of the pain I possibly wasn’t as thorough as I could have been and did contemplate giving up half way through.
I stamped around my eyes first.
The 1mm derma stamp is very easy to control around the eye and I can stamp most of the area under the lower eyelid by carefully stretching the skin and making sure I don’t stamp pass the under eye bone. I stamp 10 times, in the same spot and have found it is best to stamp a square shape in this area so it is easy to line up the derma roller when you do the cheeks.
Then came the 1.5mm 500 needle roller. I rolled my forehead first 5 times up and then 5 times across in a square shape the size of the roller head ensuring to lift the roller each pass. It was a little difficult to control because you are not rolling on a flat surface.
I then did my cheeks. That was far more difficult with the roller because of muscle placement, bones and hollows. It looked and felt like I was ripping my skin in spots but after washing my face there didn’t seem to be much damage other than a couple of fine scratches.
I used by hyaluronic acid gel, vitamin e and sorbelene cream after the roll and followed up a week later with home made vitamin C serum/toner.
I persevered with the stamp roller combo for the second go and numbed my face for 2 hours beforehand. It was far more bareable although the roller was still difficult to control and I felt like I wasn’t rolling as evenly as I could. I ordered a new stamp but used the same roller as my first roll.
For my third roll I decided that that the roller had far too many needles and got a larger 1.5mm 100 or so needle stamp for my cheeks, forehead etc instead.
It is much easier to control so I can do the areas far more evenly.
So…I am a 40 year old male with fairly good skin with a few fine lines and think it it best to deal to skin concerns i.e. fine lines and wrinkles in the early stages. I also had bad acne when I was young but got away with minimal scaring.
I have rolled/stamped 3 times in the last 5 months and plan to continue monthly for at least 12 months.
After the treatment my skin has many spots(and even the odd drip) of blood. After washing my face is red like it is red like its sunburnt. I usually do the rolling not long before bed.
The following my face is red and blotchy. I wouldn’t really go out but could at a stretch and imagine you could cover up the redness with makeup. The skin also seemed to look worse than prior to the treatment i.e. saggier and wrinklier. I would guess it is probably in shock.
Each time rolled I have had the odd 3-4 tiny whites head appear here and there but nothing major.
The next day my skin was basically back to normal and improved over subsequent days.
So far the fine lines around my eyes are fading or have almost disappeared and overall my skin is clearer and smoother. My forehead lines seem softer but need more treatments.
Improvements are slow but visible.
If you are up to it, my recommendations would be…
Hygiene, hygiene, hygiene…wash and sterilise all instruments, your hands, face and the area you are working in.
Get the correct length needle for the area you are treating. A maximum of 1mm around the eye and 1.5mm on most areas of the face. Research it on the internet.
Stamps seem far easier to handle(for the face at least) . I got a far more even result. I would NOT recommend a 500 needle roller for the face because the needles are difficult to push into the skin. The 192 needle rollers might be a better option because the needles are less densely packed.
Numb your skin with 5% lidocaine for 2 hours prior to treatment…it will make the procedure far less painful.
Do not overwork your skin, you do not want to mince it…less is best in this situation. I rolled or stamped in the same spot 10 times maximum using a medium pressure and have had no orange peel skin, holes or scars so far.
Break for AT LEAST 4-6 weeks between rolls to allow your skin to heal.
You do not need to blow your budget on expensive serums and creams. Use cheap hyaluronic acid serum (mine was AUS$9 from Aldi, actually their +15 Sensitive moisturiser is good as well for about $4), vitamin e cream or capsules and homemade vitamin c serum/toner. Vitamin C serum should not be used until at least 1 week treatment. Use +15 Moisturiser sunscreen.
The stamps and rollers are cheap enough to replace every treatment.
I have found it quite difficult to find information on the experience of derma stamping or rolling.
I hope this helps someone 😉
Thanks for sharing your experience, Shaun. 🙂 I’m sure it’ll help many others.
Hi Eve I’m sorry to hear about your story but unfortunately I guess I went through a similar experience… This dermatologist did dermapen with . 5mm needle all over my face and now it’s been 2 months and my skin has some stretch on face and neck! How is your skin doing now? Has it become flexible and has your scar tissue softened or hardened more? Hoping to hear from you soon.
Also for everyone who is struggling with scars PLZ BE PATIENT and DO NOT DO MICRONEEDLING. Natural remedies are the best ppl!
How is your skin now? Better or worse? If better how did you treat it?
I had needling done under the eyes using a 0.5mm pen and I now have wrinkles that were never there before. I didn’t even know ther was possible otherwise I would have never risked the treatment. The practitioner assured me that things look worse before they look better but I was doubtful they didn’t look like they were there due to swelling etc. it’s now been about 6 weeks post treatment and they’re still there. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what I can now do? I’ve been doing a lot of research but there doesn’t seem to be much on the topic. Can needling possibly breakdown collagen or fat!
Hi Tess, I’m very sorry to hear that. I think anyone would be upset.
I do have one suggestion — try dabbing extra virgin coconut oil around your eyes before bed each night. With time and patience, I think that could help reverse some of the damage.
p.s: If you don’t like the smell of coconut oil, you can also try olive oil, Vitamin E oil, shea butter, castor oil, etc.